Pro-Atheism campaign targets African-Americans for Black History Month

Atheist groups shouldn't say this. It makes them out to be liars. If they're honest with themselves, they'd admit that's exactly what they're doing.

Um, no. The purpose is not to force them to turn away from religion. The purpose is to have them realize how idiotic fairy tales are and maybe override the brainwashing.

True, they're not trying to force them to turn away from religion, but that's not what they said. They said, "We're not trying to make people lose their religion", and that's exactly what they're trying to do in a non-forceful manner.

True, they're not trying to force them to turn away from religion, but that's not what they said. They said, "We're not trying to make people lose their religion", and that's exactly what they're trying to do in a non-forceful manner.

Semantics. Ghandi wasn't trying to force nor make the Brits leave India. He did his thing with non-violence and civil resistance and they eventually grew to respect him enough to consider leaving.

I think if everyone who see's that sign were to magically convert and lose their religion, the people who put up that sign would think it was a job well done and put up more signs. They're clearly trying to change peoples minds. They want to bring up debate and challenge religious beliefs.

There's nothing wrong with that. Hell, I do it myself. But at least we should be honest about our goals.

I think if everyone who see's that sign were to magically convert and lose their religion, the people who put up that sign would think it was a job well done and put up more signs. They're clearly trying to change peoples minds. They want to bring up debate and challenge religious beliefs.

I doubt it. I have not, to my experience, met a preaching Atheist.

Well, we don't have a doctrine to preach from. We can't open a book and start a-preachin'. But we do try to change minds.

Another thing is when groups say they're not trying to change minds, it shows a sort of cringing deference to the religious. We don't have to apologize or make excuses for putting our opinion out there or for pointing out the inconsistencies, logical fallacies, scientific refutations or anything else that they feel might undermine their religious beliefs.

Another thing is when groups say they're not trying to change minds, it shows a sort of cringing deference to the religious. We don't have to apologize or make excuses for putting our opinion out there or for pointing out the inconsistencies, logical fallacies, scientific refutations or anything else that they feel might undermine their religious beliefs.

Nobody is saying that we are deferring to the religious. I'm just saying that for the most part, neither Atheists nor in my case Agnostics are out there actively trying to preach non-belief.

For example, let's take out the Vine's mini-world. Whenever we're discussing any subject, as long as it is treated in an objective way by zealots and non-zealots alike, we can be all nice and chummy. But if a zealot is gonna start preaching HIS truth as THE truth, you can bet your butt I'll have to something to say about that.

Whenever we're discussing any subject, as long as it is treated in an objective way by zealots and non-zealots alike, we can be all nice and chummy. But if a zealot is gonna start preaching HIS truth as THE truth, you can bet your butt I'll have to something to say about that

We're in complete agreement there. :).

I think if everyone who see's that sign were to magically convert and lose their religion, the people who put up that sign would think it was a job well done and put up more signs. They're clearly trying to change peoples minds. They want to bring up debate and challenge religious beliefs.

Umm no. Atheists aren't stupid. It's pretty easy to logically deduce that a sign beside a road would no more change a believer's mind as one of the many Christian ones that are up change an atheist.

They aren't trying to convert or change the mind of believers. They are trying to tell other like thinkers that they are not alone. That's the target of the ads. Look at the wording again.

They aren't trying to convert or change the mind of believers. They are trying to tell other like thinkers that they are not alone. That's the target of the ads. Look at the wording again.

Precisely my point AS. FR sent.

Ok, I should've said "Athiest Obama Supporters"

is that better?

But really what I'm saying is, How do all the Athiests who mock religion in almost every vine, call Christians vile names, make crazy accusations against Catholics, how do they reconcile that with Obama stateing that he is a Christian, and that his faith helps him determin how he governs?